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	<title>Comments on: New Holiday Standard Minimum Parent-Time in Utah as of May 5, 2008</title>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 09:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@John Larson:   Thank you for you comment on the blog.  Yes, the reading is confusing, as you point out.  Particularly given that the prior version of the statute referenced 1 p.m. on Christmas Day as an exchange time every year regardless of how many days of vacation from school were in the total holiday period.  The prior code provision always split Christmas Day between the parties.  

Members of this firm attended a continuing legal education seminar last week and the "official" reading of the statute is that the exchange is to occur at 1 p.m. (if there are an odd number of days in the holiday break) or 7 p.m. (if there are an even number of days in the holiday break) on the day 1/2 through the Christmas holiday.  In other words, parents no longer each have a portion of Christmas Day; only the parent who has the first portion of the holiday will have Christmas Eve and Day with the child, according to Utah Code Ann. sec. 30-3-35.

Also, important to note.  The Judges and Commissioners attending the legal forum seemed to be in agreement that, for any order that is final, the parties are to follow Utah Code AS IT READ AT THE TIME OF THE FINAL DECREE (ORDER).  In other words, some or most Judges and Commissioners are saying the new statute provisions do not apply to divorces or custody orders that precede the date of enactment of the new statute.  For lawyers, that would probably mean that the best practice is to attach the current version of any statute provisions referenced in the Decree or Order so that the parties and court know what the statute said at the time the Decree was signed by the Court.  Of course, Temporary Orders could be changed at the time of the final order if the statute changes during the process of the divorce or custody dispute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John Larson:   Thank you for you comment on the blog.  Yes, the reading is confusing, as you point out.  Particularly given that the prior version of the statute referenced 1 p.m. on Christmas Day as an exchange time every year regardless of how many days of vacation from school were in the total holiday period.  The prior code provision always split Christmas Day between the parties.  </p>
<p>Members of this firm attended a continuing legal education seminar last week and the &#8220;official&#8221; reading of the statute is that the exchange is to occur at 1 p.m. (if there are an odd number of days in the holiday break) or 7 p.m. (if there are an even number of days in the holiday break) on the day 1/2 through the Christmas holiday.  In other words, parents no longer each have a portion of Christmas Day; only the parent who has the first portion of the holiday will have Christmas Eve and Day with the child, according to Utah Code Ann. sec. 30-3-35.</p>
<p>Also, important to note.  The Judges and Commissioners attending the legal forum seemed to be in agreement that, for any order that is final, the parties are to follow Utah Code AS IT READ AT THE TIME OF THE FINAL DECREE (ORDER).  In other words, some or most Judges and Commissioners are saying the new statute provisions do not apply to divorces or custody orders that precede the date of enactment of the new statute.  For lawyers, that would probably mean that the best practice is to attach the current version of any statute provisions referenced in the Decree or Order so that the parties and court know what the statute said at the time the Decree was signed by the Court.  Of course, Temporary Orders could be changed at the time of the final order if the statute changes during the process of the divorce or custody dispute.</p>
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		<title>By: John Larson</title>
		<link>http://www.longokura.com/blog/2008/05/06/new-holiday-standard-minimum-parent-time-in-utah-as-of-may-5-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-309</link>
		<dc:creator>John Larson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 06:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am having issues with this whoe Christmas definition myself.  It appears to me that the language in the code is nont clear. If you read it carefully then it states an exchange at 1 p.m on Christmas day and then mentions halfway through the holiday in the same sentence.  It seems to me that something is missing.  My understanding is that you split Christmas Day at 1 p.m. and you ALSO split the whole Holiday equally.  It could be read as follows: "Christmas Day until 1 p.m."  It can also be read this way: "until 1 p.m. on the day halfway through the holiday."  I took these from the same sentence.  It seems that it is missing something but if it was intended to eliminate the mid-day exchenage on Christmas why wouldn't this have made the news with how it can affect people?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am having issues with this whoe Christmas definition myself.  It appears to me that the language in the code is nont clear. If you read it carefully then it states an exchange at 1 p.m on Christmas day and then mentions halfway through the holiday in the same sentence.  It seems to me that something is missing.  My understanding is that you split Christmas Day at 1 p.m. and you ALSO split the whole Holiday equally.  It could be read as follows: &#8220;Christmas Day until 1 p.m.&#8221;  It can also be read this way: &#8220;until 1 p.m. on the day halfway through the holiday.&#8221;  I took these from the same sentence.  It seems that it is missing something but if it was intended to eliminate the mid-day exchenage on Christmas why wouldn&#8217;t this have made the news with how it can affect people?</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 01:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dawnell:  If you have a recent court order, you should follow it.  As for older orders- this is the debate many lawyers are having between themselves as well as client/parties.  I spoke to a well-seasoned lawyer the other day who is confident that you follow the statute AS IT WAS when your order was signed, but I pointed out to him that some of those orders are 5, 8, 10, 15 years old and we have no idea what the statue said then.  He was at a loss to answer that.  As soon as I have this issue resolved by a Commissioner or Judge- I will post with the result.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dawnell:  If you have a recent court order, you should follow it.  As for older orders- this is the debate many lawyers are having between themselves as well as client/parties.  I spoke to a well-seasoned lawyer the other day who is confident that you follow the statute AS IT WAS when your order was signed, but I pointed out to him that some of those orders are 5, 8, 10, 15 years old and we have no idea what the statue said then.  He was at a loss to answer that.  As soon as I have this issue resolved by a Commissioner or Judge- I will post with the result.</p>
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		<title>By: Dawnell</title>
		<link>http://www.longokura.com/blog/2008/05/06/new-holiday-standard-minimum-parent-time-in-utah-as-of-may-5-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-301</link>
		<dc:creator>Dawnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 22:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>do we follow the new provision or do we go with what the judge ordered us to do regardless that it got changed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>do we follow the new provision or do we go with what the judge ordered us to do regardless that it got changed?</p>
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		<title>By: Mandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the response. Its hard to figure out what to do with the new changes and a old decree. Sometimes the code is not clear and leave parents with to many questions unanswered. Example, kids that are younger than 5 years of age and are not in school, does UEA or fall break &#38; Christmas break still apply for the parents parent-time or do they have to be in school if it says school break?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the response. Its hard to figure out what to do with the new changes and a old decree. Sometimes the code is not clear and leave parents with to many questions unanswered. Example, kids that are younger than 5 years of age and are not in school, does UEA or fall break &amp; Christmas break still apply for the parents parent-time or do they have to be in school if it says school break?</p>
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